At least you can use some of that knowledge against him. Use his teachings in charisma to warn others against him.
[ She wonders if Rhys read "How To Get People To Like You And Convince Them To Do Anything You Want (the secret is murder! their families!)" ] Provided he even gets that far.
You know that most of the stuff in those books are huge exaggerations or outright lies though, right? I'm not sure that guy has every told a single truth in his whole life.
[ Is someone still butthurt about being made to think he and Jack were a team, only to have jack turn on him?
[ Oh yes, she knows. She ghostwrote a few herself, while Jack dictated to her all about the vaults, what a admirable Hero he was, how much everyone loved him and wanted to be him or with him. All while obfuscating important facts like his siren daughter and the Vault Hunters she tricked into doing his dirty work for him, for starters. ]
Yes, I am well aware, but that isn't what I meant. Jack was very good at what he did, loathe as I am do admit it. He could tell a bandit they could fly and they would believe him... though bandits tend to not be very smart to begin with. Maybe that's not the best example.
[ And Rhys may notice that by this point Angel has dropped the "Handsome" title as well, along with her tone becoming slightly more on the casual side. She's still guarded as hell about him but it seems the two of them are on the same page right now. She's glad at least Rhys recognizes the lies those books were now, despite his fanboy past. Nice save.]
Not exactly. I get what you're saying though. Even after he died Jack was...a hero. At least on Helios. They turned his office into a VIP tour if you can believe it.
[ Angie probably can though if she worked there. She'd know what it was like. ]
Well it's kind of a long story but Helios was sort of uhh Gone Back before we opened the Vault and defeated Jack and everything. It crashed into Pandora.
There's a bit of a pause before she replies. A good ten minutes used to process. ]
Before I ask for details, are there any more massive, galaxy-changing events that you would like to inform me of that are in relation to Handsome Jack?
I'm not sure where to even begin with my questions.
[ Because there are a lot of them, sure, but also because this all feels so surreal. Finding out Jack had died would have been expected, if not for the whole his frozen body still intact and sleeping on Thesa thing. But Helios itself coming down was never part of the initial plan. Not that it was an unwelcomed turn of events, just unexpected. Though once again she can't be sure how long a stretch of time there had been between her death and all these events that had transpired since. Taking down Helios had likely been the long-game for Lilith and Roland, and just because it felt as if her death were only a few weeks ago, didn't make it the case.
But Rhys had mentioned Jacks office becoming a shrine of some sorts (uhg.) ]
When you say defeated Jack I'm guessing you mean the one who was inside
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The one who had been downloaded into your cybernetics?
Maybe we should backtrack a little. What the last thing you remember about jack and Hyperion? Because it sounds like you didn't know about the Vault Hunters taking him and that giant alien monster down.
[ You know, maybe they should establish some sort of coherent timeline/discussion. For once. ]
[ Angel pauses, tries to stall. She realizes that up until now she's been asking all the big questions, so set in that task that she wasn't prepared to give any answers. There's no way she's going to answer this with transparent honesty, "Oh you know, just having the Vault Hunters assist me in suicide, not a big deal!" And how much does Rhys know, about what transpired? Even if he knew Jacks recounts were lies how much did he know of the truth?
She's taking too long to reply. ] Do you remember Sanctuary?
The Crimson Raider outfit? Yeah I remember them. They're still going from what I hear, never met them though. Thankfully. I hear they're worse than the bandits.
[ But that could be the Hyperion in him talking since he...only ever heard about them from Hyperion propaganda. So. ]
Roland and Lilith played an integral part in [ setting her free ]ending Jacks rein. They were heroes, along side the other Hunters. [ and if things had gone differently, they could have been friends. ]
Anyways, that city taking flight is the last thing I can recall.
[ Or at least it's the last major event she can talk about without making things complicated for herself or giving too much away about her circumstances. ]
I don't know if I'd call them "Heroes". Yeah sure they helped get rid of Jack but they're Vault Hunters you know. They'd do anything for money.
[ Like help Vallory and take pot shots at Fiona, etc. ]
But yeah. After Sanctuary went up Jack sent a lot of resources down to the planet but they still beat him and the Vault thing he was trying to control. I think it was some sort of lava monster? A while after that Hyperion started getting stuff under control from a marketing standpoint but we'd pulled mostly out of Pandora by the time I went down there and found his AI in an ID drive.
That was sort of my fault. See Jack had been in my head for a while and he'd been helping us find the Vault. He got us out of a lot of tough situations I'm pretty sure we would have died in without him, so when we had to go to Helios for the last piece of the Gortys key I may have plugged him into the system.
Then he tried to kill us.
It was stupid and I know that so can we skip the part where you call me an idiot? Been through that a few times now and I get the point.
So the only way to take down Jack-the-program...was to take down all of Helios with him on board?
[ Sometimes something sounds so far fetched and unbelievable that it must be true, because who would make up something like that? This is one of those times. Because what would Rhys have to gain by lying this hard, with so much detail? It doesn't even seem as if he's embellishing as he had earlier, he even sounded ashamed. As he should be but... ]
I wasn't going to call you an idiot. It sounds as though you've been through a lot.
[ Because Jack had that effect on people, had it on her. He'll make you believe that he's a necessity, that the world out there is too much to handle (or that it cannot handle you, that you'll die without him. Then he'll kill you himself. ]
Technically that's true I guess. I wish I could say that's why I did it? But honestly I was just trying to open the hangar bay doors so we could all get out of there alive. If he hadn't tried to vent the power core I'm not sure I would've even thought about it.
I didn't think about it.
[ He still doesn't want to, actually, and after a pause Rhys pinches the bridge of his nose and sighs. ]
Anyway without its core Helios couldn't maintain orbit and crashed into Pandora, taking Jack with it. Mostly. He got back in my cybernetics so I had to rip them out before he killed me. Eventually it was just me and my ECHO eye with him inside it so I crushed it.
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Oh.
You were one of those.
[ Another poor sap who drank Jacks KoolAid. ]
It's no wonder that you manage to emulate him so well.
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Wait what??? I do? You think I act like him??
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[ Yes there are more than one of both of those things. ]
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It's p gross. ]
I may have flipped through them once or twice.
[ Or hundreds of times. Give or take. ]
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[ She wonders if Rhys read "How To Get People To Like You And Convince Them To Do Anything You Want (the secret is murder! their families!)" ]
Provided he even gets that far.
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[ Is someone still butthurt about being made to think he and Jack were a team, only to have jack turn on him?
Maybe. ]
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Yes, I am well aware, but that isn't what I meant. Jack was very good at what he did, loathe as I am do admit it. He could tell a bandit they could fly and they would believe him... though bandits tend to not be very smart to begin with. Maybe that's not the best example.
[ And Rhys may notice that by this point Angel has dropped the "Handsome" title as well, along with her tone becoming slightly more on the casual side. She's still guarded as hell about him but it seems the two of them are on the same page right now. She's glad at least Rhys recognizes the lies those books were now, despite his fanboy past. Nice save.]
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[ Angie probably can though if she worked there. She'd know what it was like. ]
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What do you mean by that?
[ Angel has a sinking feeling that Rhys is about to drop another info bomb on her. How had so much happened in such quick succession after she died? ]
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Well it's kind of a long story but Helios was sort of uhh
Gone
Back before we opened the Vault and defeated Jack and everything.
It crashed into Pandora.
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[
Seriously.
Seriously?!
There's a bit of a pause before she replies. A good ten minutes used to process. ]
Before I ask for details, are there any more massive, galaxy-changing events that you would like to inform me of that are in relation to Handsome Jack?
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No, no. That's pretty much it...
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[ Because there are a lot of them, sure, but also because this all feels so surreal. Finding out Jack had died would have been expected, if not for the whole his frozen body still intact and sleeping on Thesa thing. But Helios itself coming down was never part of the initial plan. Not that it was an unwelcomed turn of events, just unexpected. Though once again she can't be sure how long a stretch of time there had been between her death and all these events that had transpired since. Taking down Helios had likely been the long-game for Lilith and Roland, and just because it felt as if her death were only a few weeks ago, didn't make it the case.
But Rhys had mentioned Jacks office becoming a shrine of some sorts (uhg.) ]
When you say defeated Jack I'm guessing you mean the one who was
inside[ Pause, re-word ]
The one who had been downloaded into your cybernetics?
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[ You know, maybe they should establish some sort of coherent timeline/discussion. For once. ]
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[ Angel pauses, tries to stall. She realizes that up until now she's been asking all the big questions, so set in that task that she wasn't prepared to give any answers. There's no way she's going to answer this with transparent honesty, "Oh you know, just having the Vault Hunters assist me in suicide, not a big deal!" And how much does Rhys know, about what transpired? Even if he knew Jacks recounts were lies how much did he know of the truth?
She's taking too long to reply. ]
Do you remember Sanctuary?
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[ But that could be the Hyperion in him talking since he...only ever heard about them from Hyperion propaganda. So. ]
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Anyways, that city taking flight is the last thing I can recall.
[ Or at least it's the last major event she can talk about without making things complicated for herself or giving too much away about her circumstances. ]
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[ Like help Vallory and take pot shots at Fiona, etc. ]
But yeah. After Sanctuary went up Jack sent a lot of resources down to the planet but they still beat him and the Vault thing he was trying to control. I think it was some sort of lava monster? A while after that Hyperion started getting stuff under control from a marketing standpoint but we'd pulled mostly out of Pandora by the time I went down there and found his AI in an ID drive.
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Then he tried to kill us.
It was stupid and I know that so can we skip the part where you call me an idiot? Been through that a few times now and I get the point.
hdu incite sympathy, rhys
[ Sometimes something sounds so far fetched and unbelievable that it must be true, because who would make up something like that? This is one of those times. Because what would Rhys have to gain by lying this hard, with so much detail? It doesn't even seem as if he's embellishing as he had earlier, he even sounded ashamed. As he should be but... ]
I wasn't going to call you an idiot. It sounds as though you've been through a lot.
[ Because Jack had that effect on people, had it on her. He'll make you believe that he's a necessity, that the world out there is too much to handle (or that it cannot handle you, that you'll die without him. Then he'll kill you himself. ]
he's just that pathetic
I didn't think about it.
[ He still doesn't want to, actually, and after a pause Rhys pinches the bridge of his nose and sighs. ]
Anyway without its core Helios couldn't maintain orbit and crashed into Pandora, taking Jack with it. Mostly. He got back in my cybernetics so I had to rip them out before he killed me. Eventually it was just me and my ECHO eye with him inside it so I crushed it.
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